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It seems a bit off to blame a utterly toothless display on a ‘moment of madness’ but if you engage the rational part of your brain, which will be difficult at this time for some but is always difficult for the majority, but the moment off the sending off was the moment we were losing 3 points.
Two poor teams trying to find the opening to the pot of gold. The importance of the first goal was increasing as the clock was ticking, they took their chances we were wasteful with our slim pickings.
The Randon Team Generator was called into action again. Apart from the goalkeeper and Bang Bang all the other changes were forced. Players seem to be sleep walking through games and others seem to be unfit for action. It’s a frustrating mix.
Any feeling of boosting on this season has been lost. The feeling of salvaging the season is already upon us. We are in shark infested waters with a hole in the boat. Too many players out of form, to many injuries and a management team unsure of it’s self.
It’s a volatile cocktail that could all lead to grounds for divorce. That’s only if your wallowing in the self pity of the we deserve better brigade. My mantra is football fans are stupid and deserve nothing. When you start believing that your thoughts become irrational, ludicrous and not worth bothering about. Not that I am blinkered.
We lacked spirit. We lacked the correct mentality. We lacked the discipline. More worrying off all we lacked the passion.
That was something we had last season. That was something we got from the sidelines. The Gaffer has morphed into a restrained creature. It’s almost as if the reaction to his normal manager like behaviour, which saw unprecedented vitrol, hatred and condemnation as he rejuvenated a mess, has seen him reassess himself.
It’s Neil Lennon V2.0 and it’s not working. It’s almost like this version of Lennon is what he has been worn down too by the populist opinion. Be like Mowbray and take your medicine. One of the many things said about Lennon is that he only does ‘embattled’.
Thank f*ck for that as we are now back there. Except this time it’s his own support that are backing him into the corner.
This is bad guys, really bad.
Can anyone really see us turning this around?
Lennon has lost the plot, the team line-up changes every game, injuries or not.
The way Rangers are playing at the moment they won’t throw this away.
We need an experienced hand in now or face the horror or 5 in a row.
League is gone and none of this NLP glass is half full chat will change this.
I have no faith in the manager or that gutless squad of players.
The Wally with the brolly is now available. C’mon name names instead of faceless experienced manager threats.
Thommo?
who?
Alan Thompson.
i hear people talking about us winning 92 points last season…. scottish football is at an all time low and outside the old firm(even though we r both poor)the rest are now utter pish and why is it that we are on a downhill spiral falling apart at the seems and we have a manager and backroom team of amatures who are out of their depths. now i ask you this , if it was any other rookie manager in charge who had no history with the club would you still back him ??? i dont think so. what we need is an experianced manager who has managed at a high level(germany or holland would suit….lets not forget what wim jansen done for us).
we need to change now.
I think we have made it quite clear that none of us wanted an inexperienced manager but we got one. Your no backing due to his past is bullshampoo. We turned on Mowbray quick enough.
Faceless experienced managers threats?
People are paid big money to make these decisions and find us a manager. You or me can’t possibly influence this decision making process so whats the point in naming names like MON etc.Pointless exercise
We all know the board will leave it before 4 in a row is a 100% stick on before changing things.
As for threats, the threat is real. Rangers leaving us for dust and we as supporters are powerless to stop it.
agree 100%
Sorry Big Sammy, I don’t agree. It was the fans who got rid of the old board by staying away and starting a campaign. As soon as that happened the bank threatened to call in the loans. The board went, wee Fergus arrived and the rest, as they say, is history. Unfortunately, the fans often get it wrong and it was the fans who kept Lennon in the job. He won his first 15 games or thereabouts, then the headcases took a hand and sent bombs. The fans rallied round and thereafter Lennon could do no wrong in their eyes. You were all Lennon.
I said at the start of last season that I thought the board saw him as a stop-gap, no contract and no commitment. The board would have been lynched last season if they had replaced him. So they let it ride. He wins a cup and the cracks are papered over.
Celtic football club have not seen serious investment since O’Neils first season. One or two big name loan signings to keep the fans appeased, but nothing substantial and long term. The fans went for it. You crowed about tax bills and debts, egged on by the likes of John Reid and Lawwell and their talk of fiscal responsibility. You can’t put that in the trophy cabinet though.
I could go on, and sometimes do, but I’ll say this. Only an idiot would think the league is over now. We might go on and win it but I’ll wait ’til it’s a done deal before I celebrate. You lot should stick with Lennon meantime. All of your best players are out at the moment and Celtic will be a different team when they’re back.
Great post.
But I can’t let this go.
I can’t wait for the cheating, tax evisasion and financial doping to come home to roost. 🙂
The Celtic board have nothing to do with Celtic supporters reaction to Rangers tax issues. It was the fact Rangers, the media, pundits, journalists, the SFA, and the SPL etc were desperately trying to hide and avoid the problem (which is the biggest ever sporting story in scottish history) that made Celtic supporters become so intrigued and embroiled by it. If it wasn’t for the Celtic supporter the tax case and Whyte being a skint chancer would probably still be a secret despite it’s huge importance to the well being to every football club in Scotland.
I do agree the Celtic board have a lot to answer for, especially the way they refuse to invest properly and only the investment is always based on Rangers PERCEIVED weaknesses, but they can’t be blamed for our supporters reaction to the cheating going on at Ibrox, for all their faults they certainly haven’t “egged on” Celtic fans.
Maybe, but it sounds like a threat when numerous people come on here and bleat on and on about it.
Do you really not think, no matter how incompentant he his, that our CEO didn’t try and make your wish a reality and found that no one would take the job?
Jez we are in a bit of a mess.Even before todays game,I have questioned Lennon’s team selections and tactics. Today he looked lost in the dug-out, I think the job was and is just too big for him and his 3 rookie assistants.
The team display was awful,too many players hiding,just not willing or capable of putting in a decent shift, and why do we keep signing these players on 4 year contracts, when they are just not good enough.We keep buying young players,all with so called “potential sell on value”. It’s bullsh t. We needed and need experienced players, who can help win titles now, not in 2 or 3 years time.
I do believe Lennon and his 3 amigos will be lucky to survive till the end of the season, if todays performances continue.
Eh, experienced players cost money and will only come to the SPL if you pay them an SPL Tax. And that’s only the good ones. The only experience we can afford or attract is Dan. That worked out wll didn’t it.
I still think Lennon should be given the season, if we can win all our games until january transfer and buy 3 good players who will walk into the team then we might salvage it. Lennon seems to have lost his way a bit, he is over complicating team selection and tactics, i don’t think it’s far fetched to think we can still win the league, Lennon showed last year he is capable of good things and we still have them 3 times. January transfer window should be the time to spend big, even if it’s just to lay the foundations for next season.
HH!
Positivity like yours is in short supply at the moment.
“spend big?” that wil be a couple of loan signings from the lower leagues down south then.
That’s the pondlife we are looking at.
It shouldn’t be though, im under no illusions the chances of us “spending big” are slim to say the least, by spending big i was thinking 3 players costing around 3 million who will walk straight into our 1st team, doing that in january will also give us a solid base for next season, we need a severe clear out of the 6-8 players currently at the club who are taking wages they don’t earn.
That’s what NEEDS to happen, do that and we could still salvage the season and be set nicely for next season, what NEEDS to happen and what the board do are not the same thing as has been made clear over the past 5 years, the start to this campaign should shake the owner and board from it’s slumber, whether it does or not is entirely different thing!
* “we still have them 3 times”, as in we have to play THEM 3 times.
Win against them three times and we are still a point behind! Do you think Celtic will beat Rangers three times this season? If you do you are really an optimist. This seldom ever happens. The more likely out come would be one win, one draw, one defeat. Also win all the games until Christmas. This is a team bereft of heart, belief and fight-according to the manager, who also appears to have lost the same.
Easy tactics for any team playing against Celtic at the moment is to throw everything at them early, try to score and watch Celtic wilt and fall apart. Jesus, even ICT employed this and it almost worked. They should have been two up in the first 10 minutes!
If Celtic lose a goal first, at home, the crowd will tear them to bits and what little confidence any of them have will disappear like snow aff a dyke, as they say. It is painful to watch.
We are capable of beating them 3 times if our injury hit players are available, we proved that last season.
I am as angry and frustrated as anyone but nothing can be done that will improve us except getting behind the manager and demanding investment from the board in january, we need about 3 players who can step right into our 1st team regardless of how the next few months pan out because we need to be setting the foundations for next season regardless. We won’t get an established, good manager in january anyway, it will be the end of the season before we can do anything about that.
Morning Troops?
We all calmed down? Remember we are all here for the greater good of life.
5 facts, findings and thoughts plus player ratings this evening.
The bottom line is that Lennon should never have been appointed in the first place but that is the fault of the board. I fear (but hope i’m wrong) we are in for a winter of discontent. For too long there has been a malaise/apathy/lack of ambition/contempt shown by the board. We are now at a point where we can no longer accept what’s happening at our club.
He’s here. We need to back him and look towards the REAL devils in this.
No! To back him is BLIND FAITH! The devil Lawell? If he gave lennon the cash he’d have bought Bullard, Campbell and david James!! Where are they now!!? And he enquired about jay Bothroyd whos been crap at QPR. Lennon is useless. Period. He will never manage top flight again.
I don’t do blind faith because if I did I would have been married a long time ago. I look at the bigger picture and consider other things rather than knee-jerking around. I may come around to your way of thinking but not at this point.
Also, arn’t you putting blind faith in your solution?
Plus the players you mentioned, tell there own story.
LordoftheWing i meant the players Lennon wanted BULLARD, SOL CAMPBELL, DAVID JAMES are pish and finished, washed out has beens. And lennon was rolling out red carpet for these has-beens and telling sol he could take decision after his wedding, 6 weeks! Nah lennon ur a joke manager and away wi the birdies.
We are bleating about experience and all of the above are experienced players at a higher level than the SPL. Actually I was watching the Fizzy Pop League on Saturday Night and noticed the shaggy dog that is Bullard pulling the strings for Ipswich. He would have been a sensation up here if he didn’t get in tow with Ian Black and Garry O’Connor.
So, did Lennon realise what this team needs? The proof is those names. Though we dodge a fat as fuck bullet with Sol. So I’ll give you that.
Well Bullard is like Maloney, constantly breaking down injured. He’s hardly played the last few years and his attitude is suspect. David James is finished, sol Campbell the same. Remember Bullard when he visited Lennoxtown, was in papers next day that there was a misunderstanding and he thought Hull would pay his FULL wage on loan to us AND thought we’d pay another 50% £20k on top of hulls cash. Total £60k! He’s not that dumb, obviously didnt fancy spl after all and used that excuse knowing Hull wouldn’t entertain. That. Permanently injured and sleekit, not what we need.
Correct. I understand your concerns I had the same myself but I also understood why we were looking there. The fact that the SPL can no longer attract pension topper uppers is a worrying development.
Sack DD’s monkey in a suit and bring in a football man. We’d get someone fairly good for £800K with a £200K bonus. ( A bonus you seem to get offered even if you make an arse of everything).
As the CU article poined out (maybe a should post a link) we can get someone better for less.
Link to the CU article.
http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=773:the-celtic-revival-plan&catid=47:season-2011-2012&Itemid=83
Thanks for that. I’ll give it a read.
That’s another great article. Someone actually looking at the big picture and looking for solutions(beyond blaming big Sammy).
The lack of transparency at Celtic is disgraceful. We fans just haven’t got a clue what’s going on most, if not all, of the time. What’s the longterm plan? Does even DD know?
The whole management structure is wrong too. There’s far too much top down management(as they say in business school)- a few people who know nothing about football, telling everyone else what to do- with know real thought about what happens on the pitch.
We desparately need a football man with some business skill and some power within the club. Celtic isn’t a business with a football department; it’s a football club. We are nothing without a good team.
Yes, the big bigger, one that forgets about scapegoats and goes for the real targets. It’s an article that’s not blinkered.
FFS, I cant even blame Samaras fot this one…
We have missed that comedy panto horse….
I think that a mean back four would be a good start. Even if the team aren`t scoring we would have that security.
The injuries are disrupting the team, Ibrox and Tynecastle were not great places to go after a Thursday night Euro match. Get the players super fit.
The international interruption may be happening at the right time. 🙂
Come on the Celts!
A fit settled team is just a dream at the moment. 🙁
A considered comment from an old timer. Welcome back.
We can bemoan the loss of key players (and this has had an effect) but the biggest problem, as Lennon has pointed out, is the lack of belief and fight. This has happened when we have been at full strength. Something has gone badly wrong since the end of last season. Lennon looks demoralised. Is this because he has not been allowed to sign the players he wanted to? Does he himself feel that he is short-changing the fans by not telling them the truth? Yesterday he looked well out of his depth and sounded beaten in the post-match interview.
There is no way he would have wanted to start the season with Big Dan and Loovens still in the squad. But his perseverance with Samaras, especially after the Ross County game in 2010 when he suggested that Sammi and others would never play for Celtic again, has been baffling.
Problem is I don’t think he will fix it. But decisions need to be made immediately on future strategy. I would be very surprised if the board have not arranged a meeting for this week concerning the current situation. Get prepared for the ‘fully behind the manager’ kiss of death speech from Lawwell around Wednesday.
Not disagreeing hence my Lennon has to become embattled take on things. I do think injuries have played a massive part in the teams slump but there is something else.
Remember we wanted Boaby Martinez? From todays Guarunaid. It omits that he pays Calderbuer over £30,000 notes a week.
Martínez is not feeling the heat
While Steve Bruce professes to be “shocked” at the level of criticism being levelled at him and his Sunderland side and Steve Kean does his best to ignore the “Kean out” banners, nobody seems to be questioning the managerial merits of Roberto Martínez. “We were a bit naive and careless,” said the Wigan manager after the Aston Villa game, a sentiment that not only summarises their performance but their time under the Spaniard. The Latics have five points from their first seven games, leaving them mired in the relegation zone, and nothing this season suggests things are going to get better for Wigan.
Martínez has presided over the worst defeat in the club’s history – 9-1 to Tottenham Hotspur in November 2009 – and recorded back-to-back wins for the first time during his time in charge only in the last two games of the 2010-11 season. While their away form was decent last season, only two sides had worse home records – Blackpool and West Ham – and we all know what happened to them.
The common retort in defence of the Wigan manager is that his side play attractive football and that may be sporadically so but that may not be enough this season. Average attendances (between 2009-10 and 2010-11) under Martínez have fallen. Admittedly Wigan is predominantly a rugby league town but, if the football was that good, the attendances would, at the very least, hover around the same level. It seems fans are voting with their feet, and with another defeat under their belt, perhaps Dave Whelan will listen to their shuffle.
Better the devil you know?
lotw =lenny lover ffs lenny cant even admit his mistakes so what chance of him learning from them and as for Sammi if he as good as Lenny thinks he is why nt play him every game .Ooops sorry he keeps him as tackticle master stroke lol
plus we are not Wigan playing for survival every season.Well i hope not although at this rate top 6 could be a result.
If wanting the best for my club makes me a Lenny lover then so be it. FFS, wanting your club to do well is now a crime. Call Alex Salmond for a summit.
Meant to reply to bhoylondon67 weeks ago but forgot.
Any way, he is talking pure Lillian Gish. No one is trying to hide the problems Rangers have with the taxman. To accuse virtually everybody not connected with Celtic of this is just a backdoor entry to the tired old conspiracy theory.
The media reports on the matter have ranged from speculation to hysteria with very little in the way of established fact. Rangers and the taxman are in dispute. The taxman, with all the power of the government behind him, has ring fenced a portion of Rangers money, in case mind you, they win the legal battle. This is by no means certain.
For those Celtic fans who hope the taxman wins, be careful. He wont stop with Rangers.
Think of the pressure the Rangers management team must be under, yet they continue, along with the players, to deliver.
C’mon, somebody say something.