24 thoughts on “Celtic And The Myth Of A Right To Free Expression At Parkhead.

  1. At a time when we should all be uniting behind Celtic FC-given the importance of winning the league-the Green Brigade are behaving in their usual spiteful and divisive manner. We will undoubtedly cop another large fine from EUFA after the Atletico game. I find it apt, that the self-professed ‘best Celtic supporters ever, were the ones booing the team after the St Johnstone game. It is also a matter of deep irony, that these ‘rebels’ are up to their necks in collaboration with the PLC. And for what? Access to away tickets. The away ticket scheme is both a scam and a sham. No matter how few tickets we receive for certain venues, the Green Brigade are always there, front and center.

    Hail Hail.

  2. Good thought provoking article James, with all its faults Western Democracy and its rules has mostly suited me throughout my life. It can come under threat from the extremes at times and at this moment in history I feel the twin threats of fascism and religious fundamentalism are the twin dangers.
    The Green Brigade will need to accept the rules created by the football authorities or find themselves banned from Celtic Park. In some ways I would be sorry to see them go but they cannot dictate to the club.

    1. Good stuff, James. T he club really need to show their teeth or the GB will push things even further. Another fine and they should be banned. I wonder if at the top they are influenced or infiltrated by older guys with a political agenda. If they want to demonstrate do i t inGeorge Square or Glasgow Green. Why should CP be a venue for them. Magua makes a good point about booing the players v StJohnstone. They should stop going near them.

  3. Excellent James.
    You have a true gift in developing a position on things.
    A roadmap to an inescapable conclusion.
    Unfortunately for people like the Green Brigade it like chaff in the wind.
    It’s inconsequential as their minds are fixed on the perceived righteousness of their cause.
    Alas many who claim fraternity with the ‘ Brigade’ are young immature idealists prone to manipulation
    by older activists pursuing their own agenda. People who have invariably been expelled or laughed out of
    mainstream Political groups. They are not amenable to the concept of compromise.
    They remind me of a group of 6th year pupils picking a fight with the school administration because they’ve
    been refused permission to have a smoking room. It’s the rules.

    ( I was fortunate enough to be on the winning side in that argument in the late 60’s early 70’s when attitudes were different.
    Wish to god they had refused it ).

  4. The Green Brigade have exposed themselves. They have come to the party and spewed on the carpet.

  5. One thing that’s become apparent now (and for some of us it has been apparent for some time) is that the GB care more about their agenda than its detrimental effect on Celtic and its fans.
    For reasons I cannot yet fathom the Club have let this one group exercise great independent authority and it has now gotten way out of control. Time the Club and its Board regained its authority. I venture the opinion that closing down the GB inside Celtic Park would be met with widespread,(though not universal) gratitude, or at worst, apathy.

  6. I’ll be honest James and say when I started off going to Celtic games as a teeny bopper that I sang The Good oul’ Reb Songs big time in The Jungle – Sure I tailed off in The New Paradise (I’m not sure if it was just me getting older or wheather it was just that the atmosphere was as quiet as it was in the cemetery behind me – I’d say probably the latter) – Though I gave the good old Rebel Songs laldy In Celtic pubs in over 20 years of going to Parkhead week in, week out…

    Now – I’m a great supporter of Scottish Independence and Irish Independence as well – We had our chance of it and tragically blew it big time and now our children will be working until their 70 years old no doubt (and to think The French took to the streets because they were gonna raise the retirement age from SIXTY TWO) !

    But for sure one man’s meat is another man’s poison and one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…

    I’ve two fairly nearby neighbours – both Gaelic speakers and Independence voters – Well having spent a substantial time in Ireland on many holidays (31years) and a bit staying in North Belfast then I like to think that I’m clued up on things. However when I explained that The Provos had to be mobilised to protect The Nationalist (Gaelic) community from their local police force (RUC) and Brit crown forces one got around very much to ma way of thinking fairly swiftly – the other no matter how much I tried to explain their need to protect civilians from POLICE OFFICERS still seen The Provisional IRA as terrorists –

    Aye one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter right enough – (That’s my little experience of the subject anyway) !

    1. Clach

      May I recommend a book to you?

      Burnt Out by Michael Lynch.

      It tell the true story of the ’69 pogroms in Belfast and Derry. The book exposes the myth, that the Unionist establishment of the time, was keen to pedal. That the downtrodden Nationalist people were to blame for the calamity which befell them. In future years, revisionist historians in the south of Ireland, were declaring this nonsense as fact.

      Hail Hail.

  7. Such a well written piece and true to. I agree Free speech is Not 100% guarenteed in any society, particularly the modern and vastly complicated one we all live in. So much of society is now political but I believe Politics is Set up, to divide people and opinions and the passions and imbalances that go with those opinions.
    Respect the Rules of the House seems to be a good place to work from. The Hellish tragedy presently unfolding in The Middle East is just that, A Hellish Tragedy and if there is a solution to it? Well it is and has been for Eons, well hidden. The Divide there is Cataclysmically deep, I hope it doesn’t spread its divisiveness to Paradise.

  8. As a republican to the core, I can accept that our club was used in the past as a symbol of promoting the republican movement.
    But does that still apply today?
    No it doesn’t, and no longer is there a call for our club to be viewed as the likes.
    The GB are nothing more than a shower of militant wanabee gobshites that have become nothing more than a total embarrassment to the republican cause.
    How long would the republican movement have remained operational, if such an attack similar to the one carried out by Hamas was ever carried out?
    To even be linked to the current atrocious actions ongoing within the middle east, is nothing more than insulting to any supporter of the republican cause.
    No longer is Celtic to be used as any form of terrorism supporter, and yet the GB are currently trying to gain numbers for the likes imo, and continue to bring nothing but shame upon our club, and calling themselves supporters with a continuation to drag our proud name through the muck?
    These eejits within the GB would never be accepted or tolerated in any of its current form within any republican movement, so why bother with the songs?
    Democracy has long replaced the bullet, and shame that it doesn’t exist within so many parts of the world today, so is there any real democracy within today’s world?
    Your piece there James, sounded like a message of respect to myself anyway, but to gain respect, it has to be earned also.
    The GB currently are showing none whatsoever, and especially towards our club.
    I will remain a republican and Celtic supporter, even if the links can be close at times, I’ve still managed to define between the two, and when appropriate to do so, and long ago made the decision that Celtic Park will never be used as a place to use my republican views, within the stadium upon a match day.
    I will never show any form of respect towards the scum in everything they stand for, and won’t be expecting any in return either.
    If that makes myself a sectarian bigot in return, then a sectarian bigot, I will die.
    But that’s my own cross to carry and one I’m still prepared to carry also.
    But what I can say, and no longer will I bring such views into celtic park ever again, can the gobshites within the GB make such a claim?
    I very much doubt it and nor do I longer believe they want to, with there own heads stuck to far up there own arseholes, to show any respect towards the club and the majority of its supporters also imo.

  9. Hi James

    i am sure you would have got an A for that at Stirling -don’t disagree with one iota – the challenge is what can be done? GB believe they are the custodians of Celtics values, and everyone else who doesnt support them are backsliders. I am not comfortable with that perpetual certainty. However the club needs to sit down with GB and respond in manner that is finds a common accord if at all to this horror and violence. I like to think of Celtic as political organisation, but it is not- it is a football club and a Plc. But the fans can adopt political stances. The Spanish Civil War was an example when the Club was split. We could do with cool, wise and compassionate heads at the this time

    1. I would totally agree with everything you’ve said mate.

      The question is, are The Green Brigade willing to behave rationally and accept the house rules?

      Cause if they don’t then there’s no end in sight to this except Celtic shutting the section.

      There are 10,000 fans on the waiting list … it’s not an empty threat.

  10. The American Congress upheaval clearly highlights this with only a few imposing their views on the vast majority of the House Republicans. What’s the difference between a caucus and a cactus. A cactus has pricks are on the outside

  11. Its hightime this scum that claim to be Celtic fans and hide behind thereGreen Brigade banner were shown up for what they really are booted out of parkhead for good ,all they do is bring shame on Celtic FC and every decent celtic fan World Wide, it is time the Celtic Board grew some balls and Banned this Shower of REPROBATES..

  12. James great piece, but I’ve had a thought about those who demand their free speech. I know you liked the west wing do you remember when ged was being asked about someone burning the us flag? He said the hard part of free speech is allowing people’s right to burn the flag. Some bumping their gums can’t get that consept

    1. I do, that was a great episode. The one where Penn and Teller “burn the flag” inside The White House … or did they? 🙂 Great trick that, and one of the best moments was seeing Josh and Toby’s faces as it went down!

  13. I concur. Sick fed up of cafeteria Celtic supporters treating our Club’s history like a pick n’ mix. Celtic FC have made our position clear. If you don’t like it, feck off and support another Club that fits your beliefs.

  14. The GB did not get their own way, as regards trying to take over the lower half of the Celtic End. Obviously, the bhoys in that section, quite rightly told them to feck off. The club should make it clear to these dolts, that one more infraction will have immediate results. Reverting the so-called safe-standing section back to seating, would make it easier to identify the law breakers in that section. Obviously, this would be mightily unfair on supporters in that section who obey the house rules…but it is what it is.

    Hail Hail.

    Hail Hail.

  15. How dare you to castigate the Green Brigade for calling this out! I grew up in Belfast in the 60s and 70s,when we were denied gas and electricity and water, my mum kept us alive by cooking in the back yard on an open fire, I stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people, disgraceful behaviour from you James

  16. I just wish the Palestinian people had a joice and where not living in fear, Fear of HAMAS! G*d help them and G@d Help Israel 🙁

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