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Yesterday Proved That Celtic’s Pyro Problem Is Not Going To Be Solved At Hampden.

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It was the French writer and philosopher Blaise Pascal who said “justice without force is impotent.”

Imagine you run a shop, and every single day a bunch of little neds comes in there and takes stuff off the shelves and torment the other customers.

You would call the cops, right? But what if the cops could only give them a warning, or arrest them only for the courts to dismiss the charges, or for the courts to send them away with their own version of the warning?

You might wonder why “protection under the law” even exists, since it’s not functioning as it was intended to.

The much heralded “pyro summit” was held yesterday, and in the aftermath of it the governing bodies published a statement which says way more than it intended to say.

Because the statement itself is flat-out fluff and nonsense without a single informative word in it. But that’s the giveaway, because if there had been concrete proposals or the possibility of concrete action that would have been made clear.

That nothing emerged but this flat statement says it all.

The statement reads as follows:

“The Scottish FA and the SPFL are committed to working with clubs to explore ways in which the matchday experience can be enhanced. However, the fact remains that the use of pyrotechnics at football matches is not only dangerous but illegal.

“The actions of a minority of supporters are having a disruptive and detrimental impact on the safety of the vast majority of supporters and potentially the players and officials on the field.

“We remain committed to working with all stakeholders, including the Scottish Government, Police Scotland, clubs and supporters’ organisations to address the matter.

“In the meantime, it has been very encouraging to see a number of our clubs take direct action in response to the use of pyrotechnics within their own stadia.”

If anyone was looking for leadership here, they aren’t going to find it in that pitiful statement.

There is nothing new on the table here, all that event achieved was to waste everyone’s afternoon with a talking shop, a round-table chit-chat where everyone got to say their piece and the SFA and the SPFL basically sent them home again with a “thanks.”

The end paragraph says it all.

This is up to the clubs, and it’s the clubs who will take the flak from their own fans. The police will try to enforce the law, and the clubs will keep issuing statements and handing out bans where appropriate and necessary and the Scottish Government will congratulate itself on at least giving the police a few more teeth to bite down with … and Scottish football’s governing bodies will carry on refusing to govern.

Our AGM is today, and football governance ought to be a major subject on the agenda. Because in Scotland it is non-existent.

This was the moment for some sort of proposal for sanctioning clubs whose fans bring pyro into grounds.

I have never supported any version of Strict Liability, but we badly need to get away from the crazy idea that this stuff should be in stadiums, used by people with only the most basic understanding of what it can do.

Too many people aren’t thinking about the wider implications of its use.

It’s dangerous for a start.

And if we’re going to let people break the law then where do we draw the line?

As long as this stuff is unsafe it’ll be criminalised. As long as it’s criminalised this discussion has nowhere to go, and the only thing left is to get it out of grounds.

The only way to do that is to move it from being popular with fans to being unpopular with them, and if the clubs are being sanctioned for their use, with the threat of partial ground closures and bans on away fans then this stuff is no longer sexy and no longer fun.

The “no pyro no party” brigade will have no option but to wise up.

When the club issues a request for people to stop doing it those requests will carry proper weight.

I know that a lot of people amongst our own support aren’t going to get the message here until we have suffered a ground closure or stand closure as part of UEFA’s crackdown; when that happens, I wonder if we’ll ever see pyro at a European game again.

The clubs need help here.

This is issue is out of control and the clubs are unable to get through to the fans because, on the surface of it, this stuff seems largely consequences free. Even the new police powers aren’t going to dissuade certain people from continuing to push their luck … maybe the threat of sanctioning clubs will.

It has to be thought through.

The second part of Pascal’s quote is that “force without justice is tyranny” and we want to avoid that as much as we can, but when clubs are asking fans not to do stuff and fans are continuing to do it that’s because the threat of meaningful penalties of the sort they can’t ignore are virtually non-existent.

Rules and regulations which aren’t enforced are utterly worthless. More worthless still are the ones nobody wants to bring into being.

Yesterday, the opportunity to do something concrete was flogged when the first meaningful gathering of all the interested parties passed off without a single serious proposal for change being made.

This stuff is in such widespread use in Scotland now that it’s a matter of time before there’s a tragedy. We can all see it coming. We all know it’s in the post.

When it happens a lot of people are going to have to look in the mirror and ask “could I have prevented this?” and for many of them the answer is going to be yes, and a lot of them work at Hampden.

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  • Tam says:

    For years and years this was deemed as “dangerous” by the SMSM.. a high level meeting was called in attendance were the SFA/SPFL, club’s, police, government “probably”, I wonder how long it takes to set up such a meeting.. weeks months even..I ask this because after the “the rangers” supporters did it at Dundee the SMSM stated that the “the rangers” supporters put on a “display” and have referred to that ever since….I wonder if he SMSM knew of the upcoming meeting

  • Roonsa says:

    I had to read that statement twice to make sure I wasn’t missing something. Are these two considered authorities having a giraffe?

    I’m off down the LGs (licensed grocers to the uninitiated) to buy myself some dodgy fireworks.

  • Davie says:

    Can look everywhere for a solution but how do they get them in.
    Celltic need to stop them at the gates, similar to the 80s where alcohol was stopped atvthe gates.
    The solution is already there, just put it back in place.
    Celtic have allowed the green brigade entry with drums, banners etc outwith match time, so Celtic are to blame.

  • John Copeland says:

    Can you tell me of one single problem which is EVER going to be solved at Hampden by those bunch of unprincipled manges classed as our governing bodies ? Also regarding the Pyro’s …if they were of the mindset to ban them completely , they would have to ban the use of faux fire flames at Cup finals and International matches . Then we would have even more cheapskate productions to promote our underfunded sport .On the plus side ,the bonuses and perks for the said governing bodies are very ,very generous , i hear .

    • Woodyiom says:

      “faux fire flames….” – the existing law already covers this to allow the authorities to hire professional match entertainment businesses who are licensed in the use of such stuff. Fans are not licensed and thus break the law simply by having one in their pocket the minute they enter the turnstile. Its really not difficult to police – have searches on the way in to stadiums.

  • AsthmaTIC says:

    “The police will try to enforce the law” – lol.

    The last two (SPFL) home games there has been one idiot in the lower Lisbon Lions stand behind the goal about 5 rows back with a green smoke canister.

    The police (and stewards) have looked on and done hee haw.

  • Scouse bhoy says:

    The pyro is an issue for some clubs but if just one had been set off in the stands where directors sit the problem would have been sorted long ago. On another issue if a fire alarm went off at that dundee game why was the stand not evacuated ? .

  • Celticfcman says:

    I live in Ohio. Some of the stuff that goes on over there is baffling to me. This issue in the States was solved back in the early 1900’s because of disasters like The Palace of the Fans in Cincinnati. How simple measures are not put into place to prevent this nonsense blows my mind. Over here, we are not allowed to bring anything to the park, other than a little bag of bottled water, purse, or baby bag/stroller. Even these items are checked before entering, and a stroller would need to be folded up and stowed before sitting down in the seats. If any item not allowed somehow does get in, it’s immediately confiscated when discovered (and workers are always looking for that garbage) and depending on the item, the offending ticket holders are booted from the park.

  • Johnno says:

    When you have a problem such as a safety issue, and the dangers these pyros bring with them, which is also meant to be illegal?
    Then the solution can be as simple as player’s removed from the pitch and the game forfeited by those supporters responsible?
    If it’s a final cup game where both sets of supporters are responsible, then cancel the game and replay it behind closed doors?
    Supporters would soon sort out the problem quickly enough amongst themselves with the culprits involved?
    Until the punishment exceeds the crime, then no deterrent will be put in place.
    Celtic may have taken some steps in trying to combat the ongoing problems that the GB bring with themselves upon this issue with putting banning orders in place, but how many other clubs are prepared to follow suit upon this issue?

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