2003 is a year which has a lot of memories for me, some of them good and some of them bad. The bad ones all involved politics. It was the year of the invasion of Iraq, and so I started that year as a Labour activist and I ended it without a political home.
I also ended it in a weird situation; alone over the holidays in silent student digs. Everyone on my floor was away. Aside from being back home in Glasgow for Christmas and New Year, I spent a lot of that university break skint, on my own, staring at four walls.
Two things kept me relatively grounded; the radio and Football Manager.
Being a blogger is a bit of a lonely business. You spend all day on your own, sitting in front of the computer. Other people have offices. Conference calls. Workplaces to go to. Canteens to sit in. People around them. We don’t get that, and you can go a bit mad with all that time to yourself. How I fill silence now from the way I did it during that long university winter break up in Stirling isn’t that much different except in the choice of media.
Podcasts are my thing, and the irony of that is that they usually involve politics. Back then, I actually spent my days listening to TalkSport. I thought it had some interesting guests and some interesting conversations. I wasn’t really big on the radio before then, except to listen to games at the weekend, before every away match was on Sky and every home game could be found on some streaming site or another. But that winter, TalkSport kept me sane and it’s fair to say that I listened to a lot of it over the next few years, whenever I wanted some background noise.
At what point did that change?
The minute I realised what TalkSport was; the station that plays in the clown car. When did that happen? Not terribly long ago, I don’t think, maybe eight or nine years back? I don’t remember the date, but I do remember the moment, the one where I mentally tuned out, and although I’ve heard some of their content since I’ve never actually deliberately gone seeking that station; it was one morning when they deigned to discuss Scottish football.
How many times had they done that before and I’d just not heard it? I have no idea. But I remember this moment vividly because in order to contextualise what they were talking about they had in the studio the man they described as their “expert north of the border.”
Do you know what his name was? It was Keith Jackson.
And their “understanding” of Scottish football has only gotten more cartoonish as time has gone by, and in spite of it being the dumbest of dumbed down nonsense – just as I’ve come to realise that much of TalkSport is, with its focus on the “shock-jocks” competing to see who can sound the most ignorant and ridiculous – incredibly much of it winds up in our papers.
It is ghastly. Even the most idiotic trash, much of it viciously anti Scottish, is parroted by our media as if it was wisdom. It is the pits. It is the lowest of the low. There are times when it even makes Radio Clyde sound professional and its anchors reasonably intelligent.
On a show where the likes of Simon Jordan proliferate and where Jim White is considered an icon of broadcasting, it should not surprise me that they’ve finally scraped the gunk off the bottom of the barrel and come to David Tanner as their “Scottish correspondent” and I am grateful to my friend at Born Celtic for highlighting his ludicrous take on our season.
Of course, it is mindless guff. He starts off by saying that Rodgers early critics were all amongst the fans; I think some in the media have told themselves this lie until they believe it. Others simply do not want to acknowledge that they had written him off and are desperately scrambling to touch the helm of his toga now that he’s the emperor again. It is pathetic watching them try to ingratiate themselves to a guy they’ve spent eight months insulting.
Every Celtic manager has to fight to earn the respect of these people, whereas an Ibrox boss just breezes in the door and has them eating out of his hand. But when the manager in question has competed for seven trophies and won every one of them, he has earned some basic courtesy even if they don’t mean it. His record now is nine trophies out of ten … he has more than proved he is worth it, and he has made absolute mugs out of them.
In his bitchy bitterness Tanner talks about the “militant section” of the Celtic support who turned on Rodgers after he left. Let’s get this right. That wasn’t a “militant section” but virtually the entirety of our fan-base, and it wasn’t that he left it was the manner in which it was done. But as per usual it suits the narrative of these clowns to pretend that it was some kind of extreme reaction. It wasn’t. It was a perfectly valid response to what was a dreadful departure, midway through a campaign, with a ton of work still remaining to be done.
But see, it’s precisely because it was a perfectly reasonable response, and perfectly reasonable anger, that enabled many of us to behave in a perfectly reasonable way about the prospect of his return. Speaking for myself, it took Ange’s decision to go, and the mercenary way he handled it, to clear the mental decks of any suggestion that we should be looking for someone to pledge lifelong loyalty. If all that’s left is a mercenary, then you should be looking to bring in the best one you can get and nobody scored higher on that chart than Rodgers.
Tanner continues to talk absolute rubbish, such as with his contention that the Ibrox club could, and should, have won the league but they “bottled it.”
This is just part of the same old refusal to accept what actually happened, and an effort to suggest that it was the defeat at Ross County and the draw against Dundee which cost them. Nowhere in that narrative is there an ounce of credit for Celtic, but in fact, our run towards the end was so outstanding that even had they won both of those games we would have been champions, and that’s the truth and anyone who tries to infer otherwise is only really lying to themselves, and those too ignorant to use a calculator.
He talks briefly about the prospect of Rodgers returning to England; the man has committed himself to the totality of his three-year deal and I don’t believe for one minute that he will leave before that contract expires, and this time next year we’ll have a very real decision to make about offering him an extension to it and he’ll have to decide whether to sign it. Whatever he chooses to do, he will do with the goodwill of the support, and we will move forward.
Tanner’s whole attitude betrays his biases but it shines through most when he talks about the fans and then about Adam Idah, making the hysterical claim that his late goal at Ibrox “ensured we got a point”, which is one of the most ludicrous statements of the season. That goal should have got us three points, three points which we absolutely deserved that day. His contention that Idah, therefore, scored “the two most important goals” of our season is also debatable at best, and especially as he means those two particular ones as though the late goals at Motherwell and elsewhere didn’t matter half as much, when they actually did.
He then pushes some of the transparent Ibrox guff about how they’ll do a massive rebuild by selling Butland (I wrote the other night about why that might be wishful thinking in the Joe Hart piece) and punting Tavernier and Goldson “to the Saudis” which has become the new catchall for any player they want to offload over there; “Gerrard might want to team up with them again …” three years older, slower and not improved one bit.
What followed was basically surreal; the English anchor (not Jeff Sterling, who presented this deranged segment in a proper example of what a career comedown looks like) suggested that Tavernier has had another “excellent season” … which goes to show how little of Scottish football he’s actually watched, and gives you a flavour of the “expert opinions” they listen to from up here, as if having Tanner on the show wasn’t revealing enough.
The suggestion that there might be “other interest” in him sounded so absurd that even Tanner wasn’t prepared to go along with it. “The one disappointment with James Tavernier this season has been defensively,” he said, with an audible sigh after a long pause. Which is to put it mildly. That has been the “disappointment” with him every year he’s been at Ibrox where in spite of his penalty taking ability, he has not been the subject of a single concrete offer from elsewhere. Not one. Not ever. Not at any point from any other club.
Was TalkSport always like this? Even back in the day, when I spent an entire winter break listening to it as the last person left on my floor in student halls? Having Tanner on there must make the Keith Jackson years sound like the high-water mark of quality. I know that this is a definite low point, but I also know that if the journey from Jackson has led them here that the overall standards are only going one way and there might yet be room beneath the bottom.
If there is, I believe they will find it.
I can’t lie James, I like Simon Jordan, a think he is brilliant. I love the boxing, and they had Frank Warren on the other day discussing Tyson Fury’s loss to Oleksander Usyk, and Simon and Frank had a ding gong about that, it was terrific. I like Simon, because he asks questions that nobody else will ask. The football is all about Celtic in Glasgow, it remains green and white, and will be for a long period of time, it will be going for 60 , soon enough, and there is nothing that can be done about it HH
A podcast I have been listening to recently might be interesting to you James if you haven’t heard of it. It’s called The Price of Football on spotify. Hosted by a University of Liverpool football finance lecturer and a comedian. They do a good job of explaining the financial aspect of football in a lot of areas, including Scotland occasionally, you can also send them a question on their website.
Interesting stuff, James. It’s made me think that perhaps my attitude towards Rodger$ is due for a review, because in his first period as Celtic manager it was unhealthily sycophantic. The manner of his leaving hurt more than it should have because of my unquestioning belief that he would stay for the ten. Ange’s departure stung, more for his previous comments about trophies versus cash, than the way he left. But as you say, they are both, in the end mercenary. I detested Rodger$, and really despised Ange as a hypocrite. Now that Rodgers is back and if he keeps his word, I can move on, we’ll see. Maybe the answer is really simple, don’t invest emotionally in the manager, keep that for the team.
“don’t invest emotionally in the manager, keep that for the team.”
Nor should you invest emotionally in players. Players like James Forrest, CalMa and Broony before them are very rare these days. Almost no player gets a testimonial any more as they move on (either because they get poached by a bigger club or because they get offloaded because their club poaches someone else who’s better than them).
I am in the minority (maybe its having my own financial services business that does it) but I never once had any negative thoughts towards Brendan’s leaving, He got offered a career move which he felt suited him – the timing wasn’t ideal from a football perspective sure but he was given a take it or leave it ultimatum by Leicester – he wasn’t in a position to say yes I’ll be your new manager but can I wait 3 months please so what was he suppose to do. People leave jobs EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK (including most fans I would imagine) and their employers have to get on with it – football is no different!! HH
I’ve never heard of this and will never tune in…
Radio Scotland would’ve been awesome on Saturday to drink their tears and feel their AGONY far less pain…
But with such a dramatic ending – I just went out on the piss instead…
And it was bloody good –
At the time – Not so much yesterday though !
Tanner is very much in the mould of Alan Partridge:
downward career trajectory? check
naked bias clear in everything you say? check
struggling for any worthwhile gig? check
reeking of total desperation? check
Ah-hah!
I have to admit that I don’t hear a lot of TalkSport, and therefore, I’m not the most qualified to praise or denigrate it.
However, we are aware of Tanner’s loathing of Celtic, and the fact that he can never resist a cheap dig or jibe at us.
He and the numerous other Sevco cheerleaders can snipe away all they like, but fortunately, they cannot change facts or the status quo.
Our club has just won another double in glorious fashion and it is wonderful to have that feeling, as we head into the summer.
It is vitally important, as you wrote in your recent article, that our board fully acknowledges, BR’s ability to escape the chained straightjacket they put on him, and give him free rein to now put his full and undeniable imprint, on this squad.
It’s fair to say a lot of our fanbase won’t hold their breath on this materialising, but we have to believe there is plenty more positivity, en route to domestic dominance and strong headway in Europe.
We all deserve to see that !
Meanwhile, the fear and loathing in Sevconia continues to bubble up, grow and in time, explode, as they look for any signs of positivity they can find, in the ashes of another failed title campaign.
A summer to enjoy, and up to our board to ensure our enjoyment is extended into next season and beyond ! Over to you DD et al! HH
Maybe if the Celtic support had known at the time the real reason (hint: Peter L) for Rodgers resigning they would have been more understanding. It says a lot for him that he took the flak
whilst covering up for the real villain of the piece, although I suppose he was loyal to the oath
of omerta, otherwise known as being “feart” in Scotland. Having said that: I do see an uncanny resemblance, especially around the midriff, between Lawwell and Brando.
Like the above comment I am the same in I like Simon Jordan & his attitude but I do agree he & most others within Talksport are clueless on the Scottish football landscape. What I give credit to SJ for is when he has less knowledge on a subject he will acknowledge this & caviat his opinions on it.
Talksport in general show a complete lack of knowledge around the SPFL which is frustrating but I now just tend to tune out when it becomes a subject. They still go with the narrative of lumping us in with Rangers when it comes to goings on such as the ticket debarcle that lies solely at the Ibrox door.
I think the most reasonable coverage of Scottish football (Celtic) was from earlier in the season when the divide between board & GB was at it’s most acromonious.
Some Celtic (GB) fans calling in definitely didn’t cover themselves or the club in glory with there ideologies but Jim & Simon were pretty much as most normal thinking fans were thinking just agree to adhere to what the club is asking & respect the fact they give your group more freedom than any other fan of the club gets. But it fell on deaf ears of the callers who stated to not 100% back Palestine means you can not support Celtic…
gave up on this show in 2012 when ibrox went bust and ceased to exist and durham was pleading their case blaming everyone else for the financial shambles which was self inflicted but maybe it was to get a reaction to get people to phone in and keep him in a job whether he believed what he was saying was true or not.
Stop listing to talksport when Mccoist started alongside Ally Brazil.