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Another European debacle and more talk of lessons. But when will Celtic learn them?

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There’s a lot to unpack this morning, and I’m sure there will be a lot more to come from me before the day is out. But regular readers will know I have no interest in denying reality or objective fact and there’s no spinning that and it would be futile and stupid even to try.

From the moment of the first goal the writing was on the wall; we’ve seen this too much to be surprised in the slightest by what the next 86 minutes produced. Concede early in these games and you are up against it. To our credit we score almost at once. To our mortification we conceded just as rapidly. The balloon burst right there.

I have written these articles before in the aftermath of horror performances. I did it after Real Madrid similarly dismantled us some years back and I was perfectly relaxed about the result because there I thought we had more pressing things to do here at home. I also know, because I don’t delude myself, that we are to the Real Madrid’s of this world what the St Johnstone’s are to us.

This is why I rage against idiots like Ewan Murray who excoriate us for having the gall to be richer than our domestic opposition whilst virtually demanding that we do better against the super clubs. It’s utter hypocrisy and I have not the least interest in listening to any such commentary in the days and weeks to come.

But we are seriously deficient at this level and I listened to Rodgers with no enthusiasm at all as he talked about learning lessons and all the usual rubbish we have listened to before and before and before. When asked if we should maybe have considered being more pragmatic in our outlook he refused to countenance it.

So what exactly has he learned here? What lessons has he taken from it? Because what I took from that deplorable first half was how atrocious our plan had been … and he doesn’t intend to change it which means that if you’ve got tickets for Atalanta that unless you have a burning desire to see Bergamo that you’re well advised to get out of it if you still can because we’re heading for a similar outcome.

I am not blaming Rodgers alone here. We all know that he’s still working with some substandard stuff for this level. We all knew that it was lunacy to go into this Champions League campaign with Taylor and Scales in the side.

As good as they’ve both been against our domestic opposition, we know full well that neither is cut out for this level against those sort of players, and we shouldn’t be shocked that they’ve proved it again.

It’s like the years long circular debate about Mikey Johnston; even after the jury was in, the verdict was read out and the jail wagon was heading for the prison yard people would still try and sell you on the idea that he deserved another shot in the side although we all knew the truth, but somehow wanted to keep denying it.

Left back was not an important position for the summer; it was a critical one. Critical. There is no excuse for not bringing in quality, a first team ready replacement. Not a kid from Spain’s second tier to provide him with competition but someone who could step in and take his place. I refuse to believe there aren’t dozens of players out there better suited to this level than Taylor and who fall within our price bracket.

I thought the signing of a Barcelona academy player on loan, whose highest level of football was the Spanish second tier, was an embarrassment considering how long this has been a priority; I wrote that and was told to stop being ridiculous. And what did I say to those who argued that he was a superstar the Barcelona fans wanted in their line-up? I’ll judge it on what the manager thinks of that.

And Greg Taylor started last night. Because he’s still the best left back at the club, he’s still going to be the go-to-guy for the manager. Which says it all, and goes at least some way towards explaining that absolute shit-show we watched last night.

Some way, but not all the way. We have systemic problems. These aren’t issues about individual players or the manager’s tactical plan. These are deep rooted and the longer we ignore them the harder they are to fix. We’re not doing some things well and there are other things we just aren’t doing at all. That’s a longer piece than this.

But this is the thing; nothing actually changed last night. The realists amongst us knew we weren’t going to go to Dortmund and win, so the only thing up for grabs was whether we could do enough to get a point and if not the only variable would be the margin of defeat. Someone asked me the other day what I thought we’d see in this game and I said it would either be a triumph or a disaster; nothing in between.

When we conceded early I knew what it was going to be.

But I said 15 points in this Group and this game wasn’t one of the points I was counting on and neither are those in Italy or in Birmingham although of the three big games I will be appalled if we don’t put up more of a fight against Villa than we did here. But this was never going to be about anything other than the games at home, and that match in Zagreb and they are as winnable as they were before.

This is a sore one. I would say every weakness was exposed if only they needed to be. They didn’t. They were simply highlighted all over again; we knew what the problems were and we’ve not fixed them, and we’re paying for it.

Things need to change at a deeper and more fundamental level at Celtic; too many people inside our walls think they are the lords of all creation and nights like tonight should be mortifying for them, and instructive at the same time. Smarter men might question whether they’ve got some responsibility here, and propel the club towards thinking more strategically about this stuff. Not these people.

But as I said, there’s no sugar coating how dire that was. It was horrendous and greatly concerning for any number of reasons. Foremost though is that both the tune and the words are all too familiar; lessons will be learned. How many of these special seminars do we have to go through before we actually do learn?

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  • SSMPM says:

    If you keep doing what you’ve always done, you’ll keep getting what you’ve always got.
    We as Celtic fans want to play with a certain style but as the comments above show in the the CL we’ll accept a different style, system and structure. Less openly attacking, more defensively organised. Front to back.
    We’ve got to stop thinking that because we can smash SPL sub standard teams in a sub standard league that we can then go head to head and test our dillusion that we are a quality CL team. We are the head team of the horses at a domestic level but still in the stalls at a CL level.
    I’m pretty damn sure than many including our manager thought we’re a different vastly improved outfit this year and we want to test that against the best.
    All the talk over the last few days was Bernardo or Hatate. Never once did I hear why not both.
    Thats not the answer either but what it showed was we’re stuck in a structural and systemic paralysis.
    So in truth no lessons have been learned at all and to Brendan and the board you’re not kidding us and we the Celtic fans need to stop kidding ourselves. To pick out Taylor is to forensically miss the point and no place to start any analysis James.
    To continually call our manager elite is an analytical disaster unless you accept and restrict that to a domestic arena of piss poor teams in a piss poor league.
    To say he wouldn’t have changed anything and this after hindsight is a shocking indictment and a reality insight.
    Stop doing what you’ve always done, learn the lessons. I love my club and all that it stands for but to see it continually defiled by those in charge that think they know best. Get a grip, get some humility and stop being part of the problem.
    The pointy hat decision makers including Brendan need to take a good look at themselves. If you want to input the necessary change start with your own cognitive inabilities but have you the balls to do that and undertake a serious self examination accept your failings and change. There’s the starting point in your forensic analysis.

  • daniel says:

    if I told you, you would not believe me, Callum McGregor fed the defenders more balls than he did and always does when up against it he faces our keeper more times yet he will not set a forward up with a pass.

  • Dan says:

    We need to be honest and realise we are not even an average side, but a poor side in this company. None of that back four are even close to good enough. I just cannot see the hype around AJ, defensively and positionally he is very poor . It’s a harsh lesson.

  • Jim says:

    Personally I disagree about Scales. I think he was one of the few players on defense to have a quality game. It’s too early to say but Trusty is the one who’s making me look nervous at Centre Back.

  • Mr Magoo says:

    Christ almighty . I haven’t left the house today.. this shit show has me so embarrassed again.

    Any pass marks from last night . ?? Nah didn’t think so either .

    Calmac was like a rabbit caught in headlights.
    Trusty . OMG 6.5 million ?
    Kasper gets pass marks only cos he stopped the score being 14/15 -1.

    Bernrdo n engles ???

    Only started playing better when hatate came on.

    We say it every time in CL we must do better against the top drawer teams.

    We will still qualify for knockouts but could get a real doing again. One that some of these players will not recover from.

    Only got a goal cos the ball was missed by Emre Can.

  • Michael O'Hare says:

    OK, Woodyiom, I get your point. I have been critical of Rodgers’ stubbornness to avoid making changes on many occasions. However he had made it clear what his preferred tactical choices were, and his unwillingness to alter them.

    It seems almost a full season passed before he voiced his admiration for what he claims the changes have made and how comfortable he is about it. The players are almost conditioned to a rigid formation and to counter any need to change it when coming up against the likes of Dortmund proves to be a difficult challenge. This squad is unable to adapt at present.

  • brknowsgingerdoesnot says:

    We played the same way vs Atletico and drew. No risk, no reward. I’ll listen to BR, rather than a knowitall blogger.

  • Iljas Baker says:

    We’ve heard this “lessons learned” narrative on a few occasions now but never see the lessons lead to changes. Reading the posts on TCB, including your pieces James, it is clear to everyone except Brendan Rodgers that if you keep treating (in terms of tactics) top European teams like SPFL teams it can only lead to embarrassment for Celtic. If a team can’t adapt on occasion to its opposition, then that’s down to the coach. Brendan Rodgers, like Ange Postecoglou, is a purist (read stubborn, read the best becomes the enemy of the good, read fatally proud) and simply won’t adapt, hence we keep getting results like this in Europe. The jury is still out I think on the Celtic squad – we still don’t know the true value of Bernardo, Engels, Valle, Idah, Trusty – but it’s still probably got too many weak links for CL football – Taylor for sure, probably Scales. No one is asking for a complete change in philosophy, just a touch of pragmatism. Methinks it’s time for the Green Brigade to have their say.

  • Paddy McCrossan says:

    Taylor and Scales lack of ability is a valid criticism, one which Brendan Rogers wouldn’t disagree with. That being the case, why does he not deploy tactics to give our suspect defence better cover against European elite teams?

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