I’ve been in Krakow since Monday, and I was very glad to get away from this city and all the craziness that I knew would be going on in the media and elsewhere. But as per usual, I underestimated the level of craziness we were going to see. So I’ll be covering a lot of that over the next couple of days.
My last act before I left on Monday was to do the latest episode of the podcast, and in it I was very unsympathetic towards the Green Brigade in regards to their absence from Celtic Park. I’m still not convinced that they couldn’t have been more cooperative with Police Scotland. But I’m no longer quite so ready to believe Police Scotland’s statement because it now very clearly contains a number of glaring contradictions. And some of it, in fact, has been exposed as less than honest.
I’ve spoken to a bunch of people on the subject of what took place. And the more I hear, the more disturbing it gets. There was a question that bothered me right from the start of this, and it was how the police know, when they’re kettling a group of fans, that they’ve got the right people in that group? Because in a civil society, if even one person is detained on less than solid grounds for even one minute, that’s an infringement of civil liberty that shouldn’t be allowed.
And the police basically blocking off a street and not allowing fans whose only concern was going to the game to watch their team can’t be justified in any way, shape or form. What makes it worse, of course, is they claim this was some kind of successful operation and that it affected both sides equally.
But if that’s true, then how come there were flares in the Ibrox end? Now, Police Scotland said that this whole thing was about stopping that from happening. Well, they didn’t stop it. So how can they claim it was a success? It was certainly a success in that they kept the Green Brigade and Celtic fans out of the ground. And yet somehow, not only did they allow Ibrox fans with flares into the ground, but they then basically stood back as they let them off and then broke a bunch of seats.
Celtic might not be banging the drum very loudly, but Celtic supporters’ groups of every shade and stripe either have members who were affected by this, or they know people who do. And I’ve been listening to some of the reports from those people, and they’re shocking. I have no problem with the police enforcing the law. I have no problem with them preventing people from entering grounds who won’t follow the rules. I have no problem with them demanding personal information from people wearing face coverings and other things to disguise their identity. But this went way beyond that.
And although the Union Brats are stamping their feet and claiming that their fans were treated just as abysmally, I think you can see clearly from the fact that they somehow got flares in the ground that this is not the case. So, this does seem like a case of two-tier policing. I’ve heard that some of their ultras were not kettled in the same way but escorted to the meeting point by police and then allowed into the stadium.
I’m not a great lover of the culture that surrounds Ultras. I don’t believe there’s any cause for going to a game as if you’re going to a paramilitary rally. Get a grip. You want to do that? Stay home and play toy soldiers. It’s preposterous. Football clubs don’t need it, and the rest of the football support doesn’t need it. And the police are only going to tolerate so much before they take action. And if fans refuse to follow the law, then there are going to be consequences. That is natural.
But my concerns about Police Scotland go well beyond this situation. And I repeat again what I said in the blog on the date of the game: they don’t police properly. They allow law-breaking to happen in front of them and don’t go in and make immediate arrests. That’s why the flares were lit at Celtic Park with no consequence. That’s why the seats were broken at Celtic Park with no consequence.
We have the most bizarre policing style in Western Europe here. They claim to be non-confrontational and then they do this to our supporters. They claim to be acting aggressively towards law-breaking, but don’t do anything when it actually is taking place in front of their eyes. I’m not buying this. It paints a confusing picture, and the suggestion of two-tier policing is clearly still a live one.
Because the complaints aren’t just coming from members of the Green Brigade – they weren’t the only people who were detained. They weren’t the only people who were stopped from being able to go and watch their team.
And as I said, the more I hear, the more disturbing this becomes, and the more questions Police Scotland owes us answers to.
I hope to God that the club is trying to get those answers. The club isn’t saying an awful lot, but fan groups are furious and fan groups are talking about action of their own. And while I am uneasy about seeing this escalated, and I’m aware that further causes problems, if the club does nothing, what does the club expect to happen?
We are not Statement FC, and I sometimes think that stand makes us look more reasonable and responsible and professional. But there is a time and place for going public with concerns and if the club shares the concerns of the fans, then it should have no problem with putting that front and centre and saying so.
There are allegations here that the club itself actually colluded with the police to deny the Green Brigade entry. If the club thinks that allegation is going to go away, they are dead wrong. And if that is something that did actually happen, and if the club does have some responsibility for this, then there are people at the club who don’t belong there. People in the boardroom, especially since the police response was so obviously scattershot and affected more fans than just that group.
As regular readers will know, I am not a bleeding heart. I’m a law and order guy. I believe the police have a job to do, and they should do that job. And I don’t believe that those who choose to follow only the laws which suit them should be somehow immune from consequences.
I think if fans are going to continue to break the law by bringing flares and pyros into the ground, then there are going to be consequences, and one of the reasons the club has asked them to stop, and other fans have asked them to stop, is that those consequences, more and more, are going to affect other supporters.
But this was not the well-organised and well-performed police manoeuvre that Police Scotland would have had you believe in their statement.
That statement was rendered utter rubbish by what happened in the Ibrox fans section of the ground. The police operation on the ground failed in two respects: it did not prevent pyro from being smuggled into the ground and used inside the stadium, and it did not prevent seats being broken in large numbers.
So, while they’re patting themselves on the back, Celtic is counting the cost and Celtic fans are in uproar – and many of them are quite right to be.
I’m broadly supportive of the Scottish Government, but in terms of their relationship with Police Scotland, I think they have failed lamentably. Police Scotland is more interested in public relations than in genuine policing, and I believe that. I have a lot of respect for the guys on the ground doing the job. I think that Pig Watch, for example, is abhorrent, and it’s the last thing I want Celtic fans to be doing. Those who’ve condemned it are absolutely 100 percent right.
But justice policy is screwed up in this country and, as a consequence, Police Scotland’s operational leadership is a joke. They don’t behave in a manner that builds or inspires any public confidence and this goes way beyond policing football matches and into other areas. If we ever have social strife on the level we saw in England against immigration centres, it’ll grow into something much worse because of the lack of competence of those at the top of the organisation here.
Football policing has always been highly suspect. I have previously accused them of not wanting to properly police football stadiums, but at the same time using football fans as a nice lever for getting extra overtime and building little fiefdoms like the so-called intelligence unit – which is a contradiction in terms if ever I’ve seen one.
And yeah, there are clearly questions to answer here.
But the biggest question of all might be: who exactly is asking all these questions, or who is prepared to ask them? Who stands up for football fans in Scotland? Nobody who matters. Nobody who’s willing to make their voices heard.
And the irony is that makes policing harder to do, because policing depends on mutual respect and trust. And if there’s none of that on one side, then there’s none of it on the other and they have eroded trust amongst our support, big time, with the way they handled this. It’s not good enough at all.
the biggest question here is what is the invisible man going to do ? and if he does his usual then it is up to the rest of us to call him out and somehow get rid of this grossly overpaid wage stealer.
James, the police kettled fans and held them hostage, preventing them from going to the match. I personally know people searched, who had to consent to a search to leave the kettle, the search found nothing, yet their ID filmed. This is illegal. Police searching fans telling them to take off sun glasses whilst they stand with snoods on, the entire situation was manufactured by the police, from requesting additional search powers to actively seeking out and confronting law abiding people on their way to a football match.
The criminals are in plain sight, I would encourage anyone caught up in this to go to their local politician and demand answers
The Onion Bears Have filleted Sevco big time about not ‘backing’ them v society, police, media, the whole fuckin universe…
Sevco Hun v Sevco Hun warfare it’s fuckin luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvly !!!
Know The Green Brigade have made statement v The Cops, not sure if they have against Celtic and in principle The Board yet !
Hi guys , absolutely abhorrent and what appears to be unionist racist policing from police scotland .
In no way can the words police scotland and intelligence be used in the same sentence.
They exist to provide protection for big business , banks, government and what ever iteration of a shitshow operates out of ibrox.
The hate crime law is not in anyway being enforced, the hun supporters were free to pour their bile and hatred of Catholics outside and inside our house.
Cerny sprayed drinks from a bottle over our fans , this itself is classed as an assault but nothing being done about that,
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Damage to our stadium will run into thousands of pounds that celtic must reclaim from ibrox , doubt if they can afford it though.
As a club , we should refuse the tickets for the game at ibrox and refuse the dirty manky scumbags from ever attending our ground at anytime.
There were 7000 hibs fans at our ground with no trouble no damage
Police Scotland, shame on you , shame on you
The Elephant in the room wears a multi-coloured Apron with tassels, thinks a rolled up trouser leg is fashionable. They meet socially, throughout Scotland on a regular basis at Clubs / Ludges and almost uniformly (sic) have a preternatural affinity with the other boys in Bloo that ply their trade at the DebtDome.
Poleas Alba may claim to have a ‘one tier’ approach to Policing however at the ‘boots on the beat’ level that is impossible due to the Kultural relationship their frontline staff ( Season Book Holders) have with The Tribute Act. Much akin to the MIBs on the field of play, the weekly audiences are urged to believe that the officials in charge can be trusted to leave their Kultural biases behind in the changing room.
Twas ever thus.
Best wee bigoted kuntry inra wurld.
PS, my son is a DC ( one of the few Tim’s ) with Police Scotland, he says that at Senior Officer level they are aware of the ‘Kultural’ reticence of so many on the front line, in policing their Brothers.
At mid level Managerial level too many have made their ascent through the ranks because of their Brotherly affiliations and therefore won’t rock the boat and resort to tweaks of the Operational plans to get by.
The Bobby on the street is in the worse position of all. Conflicted and alone they stand back because they are terrified of the indiscriminate violence they know their Bruvvers are capable off. So they stand back and watch the criminality taking place.
The whole Justice / Policing System in Scotland is riddled with the influence of the Masons and other Secretive Associations.
The aims of these organisations are seldom inclusive of the diversity of the population at large. Membership of these groups should be illegal for ANY Public Facing Operatives.
Then and only then will real change come for the betterment of Society as a whole.
Membership of these groups should be illegal for ANY Public Facing Operatives.
Well said. SFATHENADIROFCHIFTINESS
Agreed – And so say all of us !!!
I am very much in favour of law and order, if it is carried out without bias, prejudice or any other agendas!
I know of many friends, ( and friend of friends) in Police Scotland that are Roman Catholics.
All trying to do their jobs, to the best of their abilities and uphold the laws of this country in the fairest possible manner and with accountability!
It is certainly not easy for any police officer, in these days of mobile phones and social media!
In days of yore, RC’s would have been advised not to even attempt to apply for the police in the west of Scotland, for obvious reasons!
I say that factually, as a family member was indeed informed by a local traffic warden in the 80s, ( working in the local council region and aware of the bias,) that applying as a Catholic would be a complete waste of time !!!
That many Celtic fans (and those that are of the RC faith, and I apologise for bringing religion into this debate,) have an inherent distrust in our police forces, not just in Scotland, but in the UK, is both historical, as it is, exceedingly sad!
Scottish Roman Catholics are very aware, and have been for many decades, about the pervasive nature of the Masonic influence, in many areas of our society, including law and order!
Unfortunately, this influence also connects with those, that support a certain club from Govan.
It is so sad that all these connections infiltrate our football, and have adversely impacted it, for countless seasons !
Is it any wonder why the large majority of our fanbase distrust those officiating our game, and anything that reeks of Masonic influence?
For anyone that reads this and thinks there be may be an element of paranoia…I can categorically state that I have many friends and family that support both sides of the equation and try to see things in a fair, balanced and equitable way!
I love my club, but will always try to see and judge every situation, in the fairest possible manner!
HH