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Celtic’s want-away players should consider recent history. It’s not been kind to them.

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It’s common currency amongst our supporters, I think, that we’re going to lose a top player during this summer of fun. We don’t know who the player is going to be yet, although it looks most likely that it’s going to be our German winger, Nicholas Kühn. The thing is, he’s going to have to be very careful. A lot of these guys have made mistakes. When I say a lot of these guys, I mean very recently.

Celtic has had real top-class success stories who have left this club and gone on and thrived. But there aren’t a lot of them. Not as many as you might think until you look at the record. We know about Virgil van Dijk. Big Virgil went to Liverpool and never looked back. He became an elite-level defender. We all know that Jeremie Frimpong went to Germany and excelled. He’s now at Liverpool too, having netted us a very nice little chunk of change on the move—just as van Dijk did when he went there.

Other guys have certainly made a lot of money since leaving the club. We know that Moussa Dembélé is over playing in Saudi Arabia. The cash must be good there, but that’s about all. The football certainly isn’t. Although he’s doing well at that club, is that really where the boy thought he was going to be just six or seven years ago when he left Parkhead? At that time, he had scored Champions League goals. He was a scalper extraordinaire of our Glasgow rivals. A lot of people thought that if he made the right move, he would end up a French international. He’s nowhere near it.

The same could be said for Odsonne Edouard. He too left in the last few years, and he too was expected to go on and quite possibly pull on the blue jersey of the national team. His move has, if anything, been even more calamitous than that of Moussa. He has struggled to justify his name, his reputation, and his pedigree. He’s got to get the next stage of his career right. He’s got to find more in his locker than he has so far. He has all the talent in the world. So what the hell has gone wrong?

If you want to look at the cautionary tale to end all cautionary tales, you would look at Jota. Like Moussa, he went to Saudi—but he went there much earlier than most did. Moussa played in France for a while at a top club, Lyon, although it wasn’t a greatly successful spell. Jota went straight from Benfica to Celtic to Saudi without missing a beat, and it was the worst thing he ever did in terms of football. That boy lost a year of his career. Now, out through injury, he might lose another year. That’s a terrible waste. I still think we’re going to get one hell of a player when he comes back to fitness, but aside from the money, I think he probably has a lot of regrets.

Kyogo definitely has a lot of regrets. He probably has nothing but regrets. He could have stayed at Celtic for six more months anyway—completed the season, played in the Champions League against Bayern Munich, and made a contribution to the cause towards trying to win the treble. We may even have done it had he been in our ranks. But rather than feel sorry for ourselves, I actually look at him and I think that if ever a player was badly served by his so-called advisers, it is him. He listened to too many voices whispering in his ear. That’s what I think. And that’s what I’ve thought since he left.

Matt O’Riley went to the wrong club—Brighton. Again, part of that was just bad luck. He got injured almost immediately and missed several months. He scored against Manchester City—a match-winning goal—and at that point you think his star is only going to rise and rise and rise. But it doesn’t. He falls out of the side. He drifts out of favour. All of a sudden, he’s not in the team at all except for sporadic appearances from the bench.

And yet, deliverance is at hand. The boys from Naples have been watching. They see something. They already have a couple of British players in the ranks—the two Scots, Billy Gilmour and, most importantly, Scott McTominay, who has probably progressed more in the space of 12 months than any player I’ve ever watched. Genuinely, he looks a class apart in that Napoli team. And if Matty follows him there, O’Riley will be a huge success at that club.

But “if” does a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. Napoli still have to be genuinely interested. They have to make a bid Brighton finds acceptable. O’Riley has to go there and agree terms. And then he has to get into an exceptionally strong midfield which is preparing for Champions League football next season as defending Italian champions. So it’s not going to be easy. But O’Riley does have the talent to crack it, and that’s why I was so surprised that he didn’t do better whilst he was in England.

But look how many players that is—who, in a very short time frame, left this club expecting to go on to bigger and better things and have seen their moves unravel. Some disastrously. It may well be that there are happy endings for a lot of those guys. Edouard might get the move he needs this time to the right kind of team and might set the world on fire. Jota is home, where he’s supposed to be, and he will make a big contribution to our club next season—even if he misses the first half. Kyogo will probably find a good club that appreciates him and plays him in the right position, and he’ll score goals and rebuild his career somewhere good. Matt might get the big move and end up playing top-class football for a top-class side and realise his enormous potential.

But like I said, that word “if” is doing a lot of heavy lifting again. None of that is certain. And some of it, in fact, is very uncertain.

But players are going to do what they’re going to do. If Nicholas Kühn thinks that he’s going to make more money and play at a higher level going somewhere else, then nothing’s going to talk him out of that. The only thing that might eventually make him see the light is if he does go somewhere and finds himself benched. Or if he suddenly can’t hit form. Or—and this is a big one, and this one catches a lot of them—they go to a team that doesn’t play their style of football, a style that suits their game.

You’re not going to convince people to stay unless your wages are competitive—when they can go and earn five, six, seven, eight times their salary. For some of these people, that is the driving force. For others, they want to go and play at that higher level. They want to go and experience football at the very top, to play against better players, to test themselves.

The thing is, though, some of them aren’t going to pass that test. And for many of them, that’s a harder lesson than they ever expected—and it’s a tough one to take.

It was only last night when I was sitting thinking about Kühn and where he might end up that I realised how many of these guys who have left in recent years have, if not regretted it, then certainly not found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow they were expecting. The money? Sure. I’m certain none of them will ever have to worry about getting a job writing for the Daily Record—they played at the wrong club for that.

But satisfaction? The pleasure of being out on the pitch and playing. The pleasure of seeing their name in the headlines for all the right reasons. They never got anything like that, and some of them never will again.

If Nicholas Kühn wants to go and chase the money, there’s nothing we can do to keep him. If he thinks he’s outgrown Scottish football, then he may be right. But he’s going to have to prove that he’s grown up enough to handle it at a higher level. And that might not be as easy as he seems to think.

So he needs to be careful. Anyone who leaves Celtic needs to be careful. So many of them have found that they didn’t really know or appreciate what they had—until it was gone.

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James Forrest has been the editor of The CelticBlog for 13 years. Prior to that, he was the editor of several digital magazines on subjects as diverse as Scottish music, true crime, politics and football. He ran the Scottish football site On Fields of Green and, during the independence referendum, the Scottish politics site Comment Isn't Free. He's the author of one novel, one book of short stories and one novella. He lives in Glasgow.

10 comments

  • Clachnacuddin and the Hoops says:

    It’s a sayin as old as myself – But anyway…

    “The Grass ain’t always greener on the other side” !

    • Mr. Mojorisin says:

      Very few have been good enough after leaving Celtic. VVD had to prove himself at EPL level before he got the big move but a big success for him. Frimpong a rare case of going straight to a top team and succeeding.
      Tierney had mixed fortunes but will be glad he left and gave it a go. Dembele, Kyogo, Jota, Edouard, just not good enough to step up a level…its a massive step to start playing in one of the big leagues where the players and the ball move so much quicker.

  • Johnny Green says:

    I’m not sure that I want Kuhn to stay, he was just a player going through the motions in the last few months of the season and I really don’t think he will snap out of that. He is certainly capable of producing the goods, we all know that, but his body language and his lax attitude suggests to me that he has lost his hunger and his mojo along with it. He has become a freeloading passenger, we should cash in and let him go, we will manage very well without him.

  • terry the tim says:

    Khun always looked an unhappy Celtic player even after he scored. Would accept anything over £10m to get rid as long as the money is invested in another player.
    It must be difficult to attract top class players when we have to play on 3 plastic pitches next season.

  • Tez says:

    French players are known to be temperamental it is in their gallic blood. The grass is never greener for any player except a few that can shine, Celtic have had some great players down the years. most of them were Scottish that feel the pride wearing the jersey.

  • DannyGal says:

    I don’t get the impression Khun is chasing the money. I think he wants to prove himself in the Bundesliga and play for his national team. I felt that when the Germany manager said he was monitoring Khun then didn’t select him, his head went down and Celtic’s CL exit seemed to fell his desire, as that was the stage where he could impress his national boss. As Johnny said he will only get that back with the move he’s looking for, as Celtic was always a stepping stone for him.

    • mattc says:

      There’s different ways to view this. One is maybe these players are brilliant for us but are found out in a more competitive league where that requires far more top level consistent performances.
      Maybe another is that they just want to try something different. A different league, a different country, a different city, a different culture, better weather. They may know that they leave celtic for a smaller club, but that club could be well run in an area of the world they love. One where they have family or friends or have always wanted to visit/live. Maybe the wife or gf has a plan and that plan involves a particular place and she says ive been to A B and C with you, now i want you to come to D with me.It’s difficult for us to see past celtic but not for these guys. Maybe Nicholas khun wants to go back home, maybe his granny’s no well. They know where there going when they leave and what there going to. All the best to them.

  • HNTD67 says:

    All above players are very good players, from O’Riley to Eddy, Kuhn and Dembele. Problem is, there are so many good players these days. Some players, like Kyogo, thrive in our environment. I don’t think as many suggest that it’s because they were never that good anyway. Something clicked for these guys at Celtic. Perhaps that environment at Celtic to a fresh one is too alien. Going from Rennes to Birmingham is a similar move. Celtic to anyone else is not that comparable to much else in world football. It’s steep.

    • DannyGal says:

      The players you mention have one thing in common: Celtic’s style suits them to the hilt!

  • Davie M says:

    Celtic don’t have the riches of Champions league elite teams, plus playing in Scotland doesn’t bring in the sponsorship that other countries enjoy.
    We are a selling club.
    Kuhn was very good at start of last season, he’s now back to the early form he showed, any money for him is welcome.
    I would like Maeda to stay, he goes forward and back with pace, meda is my most favourite player since Henrik.
    Engels has done nothing so far, maybe he can improve next season but I don’t see enough to justify a constant start.
    So I’d sell Engels if anyone wants him.
    As far as keepers go, Kasper is finished and Sinisalo should take up the position permanently.

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