21 thoughts on “The laziest questions about the Celtic fan protests: Answered.

  1. That’s what organised protests are all about James, bravely fighting against injustice and withstanding resistance and criticism from the powers that be.

    E.g. Gandhi’s Salt March, the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, Tiananmen Square, Suffragettes.

    1. Good points Danny, sacrifices have got to be made to overcome injustices, suffer now for a better future later.

  2. All of those remarks shown in bold are shallow and flippant from anyone who utters them, they have no substance and could only come from people who are unaware, or prepared to ignore, what is going on in the background at Celtic.

    Despite knowing just how incompetent our board barnacles are though, I still wonder just what effect the protests are having on these people, I fail to see any inroads being made, and I doubt the fact that they their squirming in their comfy seats. For do they even have a conscience to explore?

    I don’t believe for a minute either that the protests do not affect the team, we are dealing with human beings here and MON would not have brought the subject up lightly, for of course they are affected, they cannot blot it out and give 100%, the vibes coming from the stands are both an encouragement and a comfort blanket for them, they need to feel the love only we can provide, but in that last game those vibes were non existent and the atmosphere was as flat a a pancake.

    So while I agree that protests are needed, I am not convinced that the present methods are the answer.

  3. The fans ars deeply divided here. 24,000 at the Dundee match is not solidarity in a game where there wouldn’t be much more than 40,000 without protests.

    It’s the veil of secrecy is the problem. Neither the collective or the board is informing us what the sticking point is regarding the GB. What are the GB demanding and what are the board demanding? We dont want silence or snippets and rumours. The talks have taken place, why so cagey?
    Lets get it all written down in black and white. Lets hear what was actually said!

    1. The minutes of the last Collective meeting with Brian Wilson will be on the Collective’s websire soon. One staggering admission from Celtic was that: They informed us that they were not aware who made the decision to remove fan media access.

      1. Cheers jrwalker, that’s good info. I always find the biggest problem in any dispute is misinformation. I would have had the minutes published before the Stuttgart game but I realise sometimes there can be issues with this. Sounds like fan media will be back shortly but I never saw that as major sticking point.

        Any hope of the ultras giving the fans a look at the minutes of their meeting?

        Clarity is the most important thing here.
        Maybe the collective who the GB are a part of will give us the full transcript of that meeting also?

  4. If you look at the protests from the boards point of view would you let back in a section of the support who want you sacked?
    I am afraid Desmond is going nowhere although the CEO might resign and that’s it.
    I think a decision has already been made to ban the GB for good.
    The protest the other night did affect the team which pissed me off.

  5. I disagree. A common ground can be reached to get the GB back in. It wont be unconditional though.
    The collective are not asking for much.
    There was 3 points.
    1.They are asking for the removal of Nicholson, not Hargreaves not Wilson not anybody else.
    2. They want Fan media reinstated
    3. They want the GB reinstated.

    I dont see a massive issue unless it is completely unconditional especially regarding the ultras.

    I get the point about the fans having tickets removed for the offenses of a few but unfortunately that’s how football works. Feyennord had 10,000 removed v Celtic. Ultras throughout europe get section closures every week.
    Predating the ultras, every English club was banned from europe for years because of the actions of a few.

    We live in a health and safety culture, the ultras get a lot of leeway but they cannot threaten the safety of others whether its in the stadium or in the city streets.

    Its a non starter.

    1. Mr M. – I cannot see the Board agreeing to point 1. They might agree that MN is out of his depth and needs to be relieved of his duties, but they will be unwilling to be seen to concede this point to the Collective. If they did concede and appointed a replacement, how long before the Collective started agitating for the next CEO’s removal over a poor transfer window or the new manager they appointed?
      I think it’s a mistake to focus on individuals (not because I think they are doing a good job). Better to focus on outcomes and when these fall short demand accountability and change. Our financial performance will suffer from the current on-field performances (everything from match day revenue to sponsor payments linked to success and UEFA TV monies) and I suspect that will shine more of a spotlight on MN from his board colleagues than any number of tennis balls.

      1. I agree regarding its a mistake to focus on individuals but still an easy point to concede. He’s only on £17,000 a week. Many of our underperfoming players earn more. Im sure he would be persuaded to retire quietly for 2 or 3 million and we have plenty cash in the bank.

        He hasn’t been performing well, is under constant scrutiny, it would be an easy option for him and the board. The fan media is easy to deal with also imo.

  6. Easily your best article to date……clear succinct and on point.

    However, the pressure being applied by the Collective should be divorced from the GB problem.

    To me it’s 2 different issues and the board are hiding behind and only responding to the
    GB’’s clamour for attention.

    I never understood.why the Collective embraced the GB . It would have greater impact if the Collective dumped the GB and continued the focus on the actions of. the board.

    They won’t be allowed back in any circumstances and drag the Collective cause down.

  7. Yeah I’m convinced now Even going to take the tennis balls my Hun workmates threw at me on Friday morning while pishing themselves laughing to the game tomorrow

    Obviously a boycott is the best way for the so called Collective to protest Cyas hello ??

  8. Great article James.
    It makes it crystal clear to any rational people still asking why thousands upon thousands of us who live for Celtic, feel the need to create a protest group.. because we want the best Celtic possible and we are getting nowhere near that… In fact we are being treated with utter contempt and its important we don’t stand for it any longer..As the great Paul McStay once said, Celtic Football Club is the fans, without them there is no club..
    The old dictator, narcissist, golf fanatic is of course the main problem.. and we need him gone..Celtic supporters limited is a very good vehicle to attain more shareholding and buy as many of his shares as possible. I urge all supporters to subscribe. The campaign needs to be ramped up by David Low and his colleagues and urgently.
    Hail Hail

    1. I’m sure David Low was involved in the project aiming to buy over Wimbledon FC, change their name to Celtic, their strips to green and white and move them to Celtic Park — thus giving “Celtic” a place in the English league. Had that happened, I, and surely many others, wouldn’t have followed Wimbledon in fancy dress.

      As vocal as I am about this shambles of a board and where we find ourselves, I think it is important that any changes are thought through — I wouldn’t be surprised if DD sold his shares to Tesco.

      It is, of course, great if David Low and co can help Celtic supporters trace their shares.

  9. On a personal note I was unhappy with the tennis ball protest. I believe it affected the focus of our players and in turn the result. Whilst the not another penny action will no doubt have an impact I believe focus on the sponsors would be better. Giant banners with Don’t Purchase Adidas Don’t Drink Magners or Don’t Bet with Dafabet being shown weekly on TV screens would have those companies pressurising the board. Just my thoughts to lessen the impact on the park.

  10. Fantastic article which every supporter can use as a template answer to all these questions from those resistant to ambition and improvement.

    I think you covered it all in there JF.Really impressive article.

    I see you are getting some board apologist types in your comments now which is always a sign you are doing a great job.
    Its comical watching their obvious tactics to split the Collective or weedle their way in by agreeing with the Collective’s/commenters aims but slowly trying to subvert them.

    1. Volp I like your input on here. Though I often disagree with it I realise it is heartfelt and you come across as a good guy. Debate is healthy and you have to realise the support is split on this. Petty insults are not constructive though. Everyone wants this over and done with. It cant go on into next season. Even with entirely new owners and the board investing properly in the team, Celtic still has a duty to ensure CP is a safe place for everybody fans and staff.

      The Dundee game the collective asked for a boycott. With no boycott there would have been around 40,000 fans, going by the crowds last season around the same stage when we were doing well in the UCL and cruising to another title.

      With the boycott called there was still 24,000 there so a net of 16,000 stayed away in stadium that holds 60,000.
      If you do the maths that’s 40% support for the boycott. There is a lot of work to do if you wish to convert the 60% and calling fans who have a different take on it, happy clappers and board apologists is not going to help the cause.

      Make your point and get people on board with quality arguments instead.

      1. I’ve obviously hit a raw nerve with my last comment, but why if you support the board don’t you like the term board apologist?

        I don’t use it as an insult but as a descriptor.Surely you should be proud of that term.

        Would you prefer board supporter instead?

        1. Volp you are missing the point or maybe evading it. I’m not a board supporter for sure but I’m a realist. Board apologist and happy clapper is generally used as an insult on these pages if you dont mean it as such fair enough.
          You never responded to the valid point that 60% did not support the boycott and I’m interested on your feelings on this. Do you consider the 60% that disregarded the boycott for the Dundee game as happy clappers and board apologists?
          If so do you have a plan to get them on side…..surely we should be operating democratically and in solidarity?

  11. When MON mapped out how the tennis ball protest adversely impacted his players, he cited his first spell when the likes of Juventus were “scared stiff” of playing at CP. He made the point that any successes came from the fans, players and management all fighting together for one cause. He noticeably did not include the board in that collective.

  12. The board are lucky that Hibernian scored in the 88th minute today…

    They are also lucky to have a good few away games now…

    But they cannot run forever !

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