9 thoughts on “Celtic’s captain can appeal for unity if he likes, but this whole club is “us” and “them.””

  1. James, Football clubs are Limited Companies, comparing them with Political Parties is just foolish.
    People are probably fed up with auld timers like me saying I’ve followed Celtic for 70 odd years blah blah blah, but during those years that has always been an inner question, am I stupid in putting so much credence to supporting a Limited Company?
    Under the Kelly/White dynasty it was much the same, We were a selling club in a time of much more equitable financial comparison with other Football clubs throughout the World, and before 1990 that was a World where players were tied to clubs until that club decided to either let them go free or sell them. One Celtic Chairman pre 2nd WW was quoted as saying, that Celtic could sell as many players as they liked, because Rangers wouldn’t sign Catholic boys, and there was a queue of young Catholic boys desperate to sign for Celtic.
    I’ve always seen the Celtic Board as not like me, and most of my fellow supporters. For a while Fergus made us feel part of the club, but quite honestly that was an illusion, owning a few hundred or even a few thousand shares gives the supporters no power, as Peter Lawell and Desmond have shown, by insulting the small shareholders at various AGM’s.
    Supporting Celtic for me was always a social experience meeting friends, and the camaraderie with fellow fans supporting a team founded and supported by our forbears way back in 1887/88.
    There is no doubt that some unscrupulous men have taken advantage of the support over the years, how you change that situation, without bringing a club to its knees, without jumping from the frying pan into the fire, was always the big question.
    It’s been a problem for fans of all clubs throughout the history of British Football, Man Utd are one of the best examples of recent years.
    All you can hope for as football fans is for the owners of your club to show respect towards the people who’s money goes towards their salaries and share dividends, at this time our Board aren’t doing this.

    1. micmac – as always a worldly wise view of things. James often talks about “our” club whereas the reality is that the club is owned by its shareholders and its “their” club. Across the UK, football clubs founded as social enterprises have been acquired by businessmen over the years. These businessmen have then traded on the goodwill / loyalty / family ties for years.
      If we want to regain control then we will need to buy them out. Germany’s 50% +1 is probably what we should aim for but the SFA has been captured by the clubs who as turkeys won’t vote for Christmas.
      It’s difficult, but not impossible, to secure a majority to vote through real change. An average of £500 from season ticket holders would give a fighting fund of £25m. Add a slug from non-season ticket holders and we are in a position to have our voice heard and acted upon.

  2. Three groups involved , the board, the management and players and the supporters. The first two get paid irrespective of results and it costs the third group to be involved.
    T’was ever thus.

  3. The two new board appointments show how little things have changed, the old directors son? Unbelievable! Or it would be if it wasn’t typical.

  4. Unity? Celtic is no longer primarily a football club.

    It is a business whose prime function is to generate profit for the shareholders.

    Everything else is subordinate to this, and there is no prospect of it changing in the foreseeable future.
    If you spend any money on tickets, merchandise or even food at the stadium, this is where it is going.

    If you are happy with this situation, there is nothing further to be said.

  5. Celtic play football but to organize and provide this service we are and must be a business, there’s no escaping from that fact. Business people are as essential to Celtic as footballers and fans. Are ours competent and accountable?
    No.
    Is this harmful to the club ?
    Yes.
    You talk of anger and apathy as reactions to constant boardroom failure but what I see is no longer anger it is just apathy. Its just cold objective, emotionless, shaking our head, observation and a ” what do they expect would happen” attitude.
    This board are lazy, they make do with the lazy option every time ie keep players here well passed their sell by date, make do with as little as possible without spending etcetera etcetera etcetera. We all know the miriad of glaring deficiencies of DD and his stooges as we’ve acutely pointed them out since they stabbed BR in the back.
    “What do they expect would happen ?”
    A silk purse?
    Anyone who couldn’t have predicted this current situation wasn’t paying attention.
    You’ve talked before of a certain culture spreading by trickling down like voodoo economics until it infects everyone in that organization with respect to being accountable.
    We get silence,banned or lies from this board when we ask for accountability, but mainly silence.
    They get away with that behavior all the time, in fact it’s their policy, so perhaps MONs thinking, when it comes to accountability they answer to know one so why should I ?
    We all knew he should have left last season and we knew the board would do the lazy option and retain him as MON would quietly acquiesce to all their glaring deficiencies.
    Its sad to see him distressed as we all love the guy but “what did he expect would happen ?”
    I was contemplating doing a Munro on Sunday because of the decent weather but mainly because we are rubbish. I won’t though because I’m pulled toward hoping we can have some form of revenge against the hun tomorrow. Hope more than expectation as I know I’ll regret it
    ÂŁ80 million in the bank.
    Obviously and I mean OBVIOUSLY, it’s still NAP from me.

  6. I’m with Portojoe…I am a non ST dude but have a Father Ted account with £2000 resting there on such a scenario to bring control back the supporters. ATM I’m an apathetic customer! Can’t be arsed watching the game tomorrow as the supply of the product now exceeds the demand value

  7. An old saying in retail ” The customer is always right “.
    That is correct except where Celtic is concerned. It’s Despots way or the highway. It could be the rock they perish on.
    If that board had any self respect they would resign en masse.

  8. MON and Callum are under enormous pressure right now. As lifelong Celtic fans, to suffer that pressure and criticism from their own fans must be something we can’t comprehend. They both know that the board are letting the entire Celtic “family” down, and they have to choose their words carefully.

    Callum strikes me as being more intelligent that he makes out. It’s what he doesn’t say that stands out. When he says we need to be united, he’s actually letting it be known that we’re not united. He’s having to try to make a difference from the inside as there’s no other way.

    If you take all the frustrations of Celtic fans and multiply them by a thousand, you might get close to how MON and Callum are feeling right now.

    To mention them in the same breath as evil charlatans like Brown, Blair and Mandelson is preposterous.

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